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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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podcast episode number 435 for the

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seventeenth of februari 2017 Richard

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Saunders here with you from Melbourne

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Australia beautiful Melbourne I'm here

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for a few days to visit my old friend

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dr. Steve Roberts one of the UF o--

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experts in the Australian skeptics this

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time however Steve and I aren't going to

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be discussing UFOs we're going to be

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taking a bicycle tour of the solar

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system that's coming up a little bit

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later on in the show here in Melbourne

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at San kilda there's actually a scale

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model of our solar system where you

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started the Sun and work your way all

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the way to Pluto as it happens which is

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a distance on this scale of five point

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nine kilometers now it's a great thing

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to do on foot or as we do it on bicycle

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so join us a bit later on in the show

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when Steve Roberts and ions and friends

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do a bicycle tour of our solar system

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but to kick off the show we're going to

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be reporting Steve Robert tonight on our

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story that's just come to light in the

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last couple of days Healing Touch at a

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Queensland University or some people

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know this as therapeutic touch this is

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the ridiculous and when you see it it

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just looks as ridiculous as it is a

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method of stroking near a patient along

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their legs and arms and body out through

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their shoes in this case a boy

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pretending to scoop away mythical energy

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well they're not pretending that people

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these people really think they are

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scooping away mythical energy don't know

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they think they aren't really scooping

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away real energy it's pretty bizarre

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it's pretty crazy and a report on that

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story with comments by dr. Steve Roberts

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and I coming up at the beginning of the

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show and don't forget there are links in

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this week's show notes to various videos

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and websites we discuss during this

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report following that it's brouhaha

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science from Australia Science Channel

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what do we have this week oh it's Casey

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Harrigan Casey harrigans going to be

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hibernation and then she's going to

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discuss the hashtag share science on

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i'll be reading a report from the

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australian skeptics website about a

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chiropractor in New South Wales who has

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just been found guilty of misleading

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advertising and find a huge amount of

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money well it's a lot more serious than

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simply making misleading advertising

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claims and she does those misleading

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claims of curing cancer all that and

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end a quick chat with an old friend of

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mine Lindley here in Melbourne who has

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encourage this sort of thing listen at

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the end foreign brand new podcast called

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running with scissors I've had a

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wonderful time here in the Melbourne

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cheese and peanuts what a combination I

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flavor and nice roasted peanuts while I

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munch those I hope you enjoy the skeptic

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now Steve you and I should discuss this

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whole kerfuffle about therapeutic touch

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that a UFO or going overhead I don't

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know what was cowboy shooting the bullet

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ricochet cowboys and yeah but just I'm

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visiting dr. Steve Roberts were in the

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kitchen and yes we're about to have a

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nice cup of cotton because this is a

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rather interesting coffee maker sounds

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great Steve I hope the coffee is good

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well for those yes coffee percolator

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bottom then the tubes it's right over

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elements even though that body of water

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is cold boiling water shoots up the tube

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which will not get a hold of top light

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touch how that soothing music stevia

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University or J see you Healing Touch is

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described as an energy balancing therapy

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like spooky action may not speedy action

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healing does that make any sense no

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thank you that quote quote what it

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really does it unsticks your energy so

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you can heal yourself have you ever had

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your energy unstuck yet quite payer

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wasn't well that's a doesn't sound it

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initially skeptical about healing touch

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therapy have we heard that before I was

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a skip I you are skeptical maybe um

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Peter touch panel but it's the old story

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biggest skeptic until quote for me it

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embrace this but I see it working I feel

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the energy and other people can feel the

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energy to and quote she said now as when

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$100,000 rights whether you could feel

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the energy although that that was tested

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to shortly but she's making that claim

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not odd socially and she moved apart

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doctor working said several several

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clinics and services oh really but James

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well the story the story goes on you can

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read a bit more for yourself i'll

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certainly add a link in the show notes

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but it's interesting to note that

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there's been quite a before over the

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last 24 hours about this story all lots

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of people jumping online obviously was

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people do and i noticed that in the feed

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in the news that came up if I can just

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find that someone has posted in one of

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the comments dr. wicking who completed

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her postdoctoral studies on healing

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touch said the therapy was well

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researched and proven to be effective on

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stress related conditions Oh has it

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that's interesting well I'd like to see

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those papers and then from the ABC

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website posted yesterday after all this

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sort of erupted ABC North Queensland

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thanks for sharing your thoughts on this

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topic it goes on to say James Cook

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University wishes to clarify that the

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university staff are not employed to

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work at the clinic quote The Healing

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Touch clinic is conducted by Healing

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Touch Townsville and not

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James Cook University while this clinic

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is conducted in a building on James Cook

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University Townsville campus james cook

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university has no contractual or

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financial relationship with it james

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cook university does not promote nor

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teach healing touch in its science-based

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nursing programs I wonder why that is

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because it doesn't matter if it's time

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space that we know hey if there is proof

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of it lets see it but I yeah I've seen

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food it does not work but what I'll do

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now Steve's I'll play a video clip which

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is from ABC America made almost 20 years

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ago of a very famous case where Emily

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Rosa an 11 year old student at the time

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tested therapeutic crafting done right

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now in mainstream American Hospital it's

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called therapeutic touch and it's

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practiced in hundreds of medical centers

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even during surgery in Connecticut nurse

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and minor does therapeutic touch on Lisa

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bracket to help treat her leukemia

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tremendous heat coming from your heart

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center they feel like they enter the

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nurse supposedly feels without touching

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three or four inches away feels the

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defective energy pouring out I can feel

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where the energy is balanced and where

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it's not balanced I can feel her it's

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intense I can feel it's depleted then

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she says she channel's the healing

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energy of the universe through her hands

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to you there's no scientific proof that

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this works but the patient says that

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doesn't matter I don't need explanations

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because I have faith in the process

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that's a really wonderful thing when you

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feel helpless terrified when you're

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given a diagnosis like I was it's hard

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to argue with satisfied patients but two

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years ago a nine-year-old girl in

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Colorado thought that for her fourth

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grade science project she put

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therapeutic touch to the test today

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we're gonna test you in halle you can

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feel the human energy field Emily roses

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test was simple she asked practitioners

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of therapeutic touch to feel the energy

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from her hand but first she had them put

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their hand through a towel and piece of

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cardboard so they couldn't see where her

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hand was

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she didn't ask them to heal anything she

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just asked the most basic question tell

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me which of your hands you think my hand

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is over left again and again touch

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therapists failed the test theft

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amazingly they kept volunteering to take

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the test and even when they failed to do

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better at picking the correct hand and

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they would have done flipping a coin

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right their faith and their skills was

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not dimmed this woman guessed right only

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three times out of 10 how do you think

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the test went I think it went very well

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k you got one right so were they

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embarrassed no not really sometime

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around of 10 right they thought you'd

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pass and obviously they didn't know

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there's two sis statistics we asked more

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than a dozen therapeutic touch

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specialists to come here and take your

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test and not one would that surprise you

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know why is lots of people think that I

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scared him really good well not that

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good though Emily's test got publicity

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it was published in the prestigious

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journal of the american medical

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association since then therapeutic touch

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is practiced more than ever 80,000

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practitioners most of them registered

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nurses who say they can feel the human

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energy field by passing their hands over

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the body she I'll give them a million

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dollars that they can prove that in a

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simple test that will take less than 20

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minutes do i hear anybody at the door

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John know where are they scientists say

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it's not the therapeutic touch or voodoo

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directly do anything physically to

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anyone it's just that if you believe in

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them they sometimes could have an effect

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the placebo effect is called if you

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think a therapy will work that alone may

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make you feel better Group one will be

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getting a substance that is will they

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you guys Steve almost 20 years ago this

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topic was tackled by the live in your

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own girl as you published a paper on it

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yeah yeah wallpaper is a very simple

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test switch

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reliving your own could devise a

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minister no they basically stick their

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hands full screen and she hovers her

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hand over one hand or the other yeah and

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the patient the patient can't tell which

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that she says he's over the left handle

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the right hand and they have to guess

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and we can wait tables and Jesus weights

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and it comes out 5050 so I imagine that

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I think that would be a very similar

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test we could conduct today on this

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these people from ya up there in

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Queensland who are promoting this clinic

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and say it's proof or they say they can

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feel the energy of great we can do that

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if they can feel the energy the money's

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there is what if it works Australia

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skeptics offers a hundred thousand

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dollar prize for demonstrations about

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that but actually a hundred thousand

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dollars will be nothing compared to the

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benefits that will flow for it if it did

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work if a good work if you could get

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treatment with just the bare hand yeah

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no equipment that's worth on the grind

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of anybody's money so that's one of the

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old stories of course people say are you

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skeptics you don't have the money or you

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wouldn't give it to us if we passed your

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test you know we're not going to your

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test meaning in a let me do it but the I

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but of course and even with a million

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dollars in the United States as well

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look at it if you can pass the test then

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what's this money who cares yeah their

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money you know if you can do what you

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play you learn care about a hundred

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felonies are printing all that you could

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yeah I mean $100,000 it sounds like a

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lot of money but you can't even buy a

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house in Sydney for that paltry amount

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him yeah but we tested a dowser once he

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could divine water with a bent stick

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around and he got 12 little 20 right you

446
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know and he said I did pretty well you

447
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know I'm pretty good at this I can look

448
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forward or 20 right and I said well

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actually today we've conducted nearly a

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hundred tests and you know someone's

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going to get 12 someone's going to get

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eight yes it's on you get four teams

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somebody else did and it's actually not

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significant it's just an ordinary result

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the guy hundin harms him using front of

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his wife and mate singer you said well

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like I'm happy to be ordinary and I said

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well that's actually very very wise

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because if you really could do this you

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know your life will be miserable maybe

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everybody would wonder you do any oil in

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the ground

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and weapons Orban landmines and you'd be

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much in demand and every time you failed

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you get told off and there you really

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you're better off just being ordinary

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let's just enjoy life just enjoy it and

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well I mean it's good that when people

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do actually come to be tested we do we

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do appreciate it and if you want to be

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tested for therapeutic touch just to

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head to skeptics calm delay you and find

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out all the details but in the meantime

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Steve I think we can sit back grab some

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popcorn and keep watching the fallout

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that's headed up north to the James Cook

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University for even being associated

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with this nonsense well the communities

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has dissociated themselves from it but

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it happens it building on their campus

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yeah I wonder what else is hanging

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around on their campus the things get

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referred to change that's right who

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knows what's going on there are dowsing

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lessons or something thing well as I

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bill me like to send patients there or

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whatever but yeah they have dissociated

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themselves for it formally oh well as we

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say watch this space for further

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developments all the links to the videos

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and the articles folks on this week's

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show notes Steve thanks very much for

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[Music]

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and now direct from the cafe at

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Australia's science channel its brouhaha

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with Casey Harrigan interplanetary space

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travel just ain't what it used to be yep

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go on to the days of the future was

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falling asleep in Earth neighborhood and

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waking up light years later in a galaxy

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far far away the future of the future is

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nothing an American company is working

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on a stasis chamber where the ash shorts

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would be cooled down so much they would

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enter therapeutic hypothermia so far so

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good but here's the twist a fortnight

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later they'd be stretching and yawning

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and wiping two weeks worth of that we

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had crossed out of their eyes they

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probably have some brekkie check their

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news feeds take care of any astronaut

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business and then it's time to climb

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back in for another nap sounds pretty

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great actually not only would this be

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safer than continuous suspended

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animation but the astronauts could be on

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different sleep cycles so they would

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always be at least one person awake to

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monitor the spaceship and I'm not saying

520
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that person should pull pranks and all

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those other sleeping astronauts I'm just

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we've all been hacked my news feeds were

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once a safe haven of puppies cephalopods

524
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and rocket ships but lately every time I

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log in I'm getting way more politics and

526
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planets and I know I'm not alone but

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here at brewhaha we know that the best

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defense is a good offense so like the

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good scientists we are we want to run an

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experiment our hypothesis is that the

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more science we put out the more we'll

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get back on our feet and there's only

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one way to find out let's do it share

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your science stories it's going to be

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really easy step one find a good science

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story step 2 share it on your social

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media and use the hashtag share science

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and step 3 what's your feed transform

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from an orange blob into a kaleidoscope

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of science so whether you're telling

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your own story introducing the world to

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your favorite scientist or shedding some

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light on a mind-blowing discovery get it

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out there share it today don't even wait

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do it right now let's take back our news

546
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feeds hashtag share science

547
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:24,239
for more brouhaha and Australian science

548
00:24:41,779 --> 00:24:37,529
head for ww Australia science TV from

549
00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:41,789
the Glasgow skeptics homeopathy in the

550
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:45,809
UK with Michael Marshall now this is

551
00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:47,849
happening on the twenty-seventh of march

552
00:24:58,519 --> 00:24:53,669
from 7pm the Admiral bar 72 a waterloo

553
00:25:00,560 --> 00:24:58,529
street in glasgow homeopathy is one of

554
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:00,570
the most widely debunked forms of

555
00:25:05,629 --> 00:25:03,090
alternative medicine yet homeopathic

556
00:25:08,419 --> 00:25:05,639
remedies adorn the shelves of respected

557
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:08,429
pharmacies and are funded by taxpayers

558
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:12,330
on the NHS how big of a problem is this

559
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:14,340
using information and personal

560
00:25:19,509 --> 00:25:17,340
experiences gathered during his last six

561
00:25:22,879 --> 00:25:19,519
years of campaigning against homeopathy

562
00:25:25,249 --> 00:25:22,889
Michael Marshall will highlight how much

563
00:25:27,499 --> 00:25:25,259
money is spent on homeopathic remedies

564
00:25:30,289 --> 00:25:27,509
and how this gives undeserved

565
00:25:32,690 --> 00:25:30,299
credibility to homeopathy how such

566
00:25:36,259 --> 00:25:32,700
remedies can lead to genuine harm and

567
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:36,269
what you can do to help this event is

568
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:38,460
free to attend although they will be

569
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:40,440
asking for donations at the end of the

570
00:25:44,869 --> 00:25:42,179
talk but you are under no obligation

571
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:44,879
whatsoever to donate maybe you can

572
00:25:50,899 --> 00:25:48,570
donate homeopathic Lee hmm however any

573
00:25:53,180 --> 00:25:50,909
money that is donated is used to fund

574
00:25:56,060 --> 00:25:53,190
the overhead costs and travel and

575
00:25:58,129 --> 00:25:56,070
accommodation for speakers so that's

576
00:26:02,180 --> 00:25:58,139
homeopathy in the UK with Michael

577
00:26:05,629 --> 00:26:02,190
Marshall the 27th of March at 7pm the

578
00:26:07,969 --> 00:26:05,639
Admiral bar 72 a waterloo street in

579
00:26:10,249 --> 00:26:07,979
glasgow for more information check out

580
00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:10,259
the facebook page of the glasgow

581
00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:13,080
skeptics or just follow the links from

582
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:14,630
this week's show knows

583
00:26:34,050 --> 00:26:42,879
[Music]

584
00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:46,249
well we're hearing now what near the MCG

585
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:48,539
the the cricket ground in Melbourne I'm

586
00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:50,610
here over dr. Steve Steve Roberts hello

587
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,350
Steve indeed good morning Richard good

588
00:26:58,519 --> 00:26:54,240
morning it's a nice overcast morning

589
00:26:59,659 --> 00:26:58,529
we're on a bike ride ah for science you

590
00:27:01,249 --> 00:26:59,669
know I'm glad you could come to

591
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,259
Melbourne for the overcast season which

592
00:27:05,659 --> 00:27:03,840
is this january to december hello who is

593
00:27:07,820 --> 00:27:05,669
welcome to right now i'm here to see the

594
00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:07,830
overcast skies I just came from heat

595
00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:09,659
wave Sydney to a nice cool Christmas Mel

596
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:13,980
45 insidious only it's 90 s Elvin yeah

597
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:15,809
we need the mobile quick counter near

598
00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:17,850
richmond station there's a big football

599
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,700
field and park here by tried will start

600
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,320
from the eggs we can meet and go yakety

601
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:24,240
yak and then we take off alone bike

602
00:27:28,639 --> 00:27:26,850
paths and keep writing yeah but the goal

603
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:28,649
today is to actually go down to the

604
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:31,860
coast nissin kilda is that if i'm right

605
00:27:37,009 --> 00:27:35,129
yeah and look at a scale model of the

606
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:37,019
solar system that's right you about 20

607
00:27:41,659 --> 00:27:39,059
years ago some maniac of astronomers

608
00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:41,669
built a billy a billion-to-one scale

609
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:43,950
model so the Sun is about four feet

610
00:27:49,610 --> 00:27:46,860
across one point three meters so I and

611
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:49,620
the planets are like 50 meters Mercury

612
00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:51,179
Venus Earth Mars a 50-meter intervals

613
00:27:55,580 --> 00:27:53,460
from that minute some killer waters of

614
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:55,590
Jupiter and there's seven kilometers to

615
00:27:58,940 --> 00:27:57,299
Pluto which of course was a planet when

616
00:28:00,590 --> 00:27:58,950
they built the model yes we're going to

617
00:28:02,539 --> 00:28:00,600
see all that this morning sir so our

618
00:28:05,060 --> 00:28:02,549
goal is to ride from here and that'll

619
00:28:06,619 --> 00:28:05,070
take us what to get to an hour that's

620
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:06,629
all right then we have a cup of coffee

621
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:09,000
yeah the cafe there's and then check out

622
00:28:12,379 --> 00:28:10,860
the the solar system so I'd end up back

623
00:28:15,289 --> 00:28:12,389
in the middle of Melbourne about midday

624
00:28:17,899 --> 00:28:15,299
yeah this sounds like a nice way to

625
00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:17,909
spend a morning actually or a day yeah

626
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:19,470
well we've got you back about lunchtime

627
00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:20,610
in the city and of course that's

628
00:28:30,460 --> 00:28:28,990
he's there now you will call out because

629
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,470
you can't be stopped on that path you

630
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:32,960
know but we're going to be media stars

631
00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:34,490
they are going to be media stars i'm

632
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:38,150
here at the Sun Steve Roberts indeed you

633
00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:40,610
are over to do this is a standing right

634
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:43,870
next to a scale model of this hot oh yes

635
00:28:49,630 --> 00:28:47,450
about four feet across it is I'm right

636
00:28:51,370 --> 00:28:49,640
here on the coast and we can walk right

637
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:51,380
around I've done a pretty good job to

638
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:54,410
try and represent in this metal the the

639
00:29:01,270 --> 00:28:57,610
surface of the sun I see ya and if we

640
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:01,280
gaze down the path there we can start to

641
00:29:05,260 --> 00:29:02,480
see other planets which we'll get to

642
00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:05,270
shortly in DB will ya about the size of

643
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:07,100
a pea or grain of ice if you're lucky

644
00:29:11,860 --> 00:29:10,250
yeah yo dundo scale 1 billion to one and

645
00:29:14,140 --> 00:29:11,870
what's this over here as other please

646
00:29:16,930 --> 00:29:14,150
love them it's a lump we'll just walk

647
00:29:18,490 --> 00:29:16,940
over here we'll explain what it is is

648
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,500
this not the Sun is not made of this

649
00:29:23,740 --> 00:29:21,200
stuff whatever it is yeah we're not sure

650
00:29:27,549 --> 00:29:23,750
what that is what's it say beyond the

651
00:29:32,409 --> 00:29:27,559
solar system I used to mean to be a bit

652
00:29:35,049 --> 00:29:32,419
of interstellar glob oh okay not exactly

653
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:35,059
sure we're right near a skateboard park

654
00:29:39,220 --> 00:29:36,050
and

655
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:39,230
as the road just over there so I'm with

656
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:41,210
a group of about eight other people or

657
00:29:46,540 --> 00:29:43,610
been riding through Melbourne which has

658
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:46,550
been absolutely delightful 11 kilometres

659
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:50,090
so far and now we're off to explore the

660
00:30:00,250 --> 00:29:54,890
rest of the solar system now we've

661
00:30:02,860 --> 00:30:00,260
written about 30 seconds down to mercury

662
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:02,870
and we're all having to lean in and look

663
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:04,490
carefully because mercury is hardly

664
00:30:12,460 --> 00:30:08,330
there at all on the scale it's tiny it's

665
00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:12,470
about the size of a white Toyota lead at

666
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:14,990
the half a peek not even that but you're

667
00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:17,570
two grains of rice so here we are at

668
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:19,700
mercury seeing else more that is we gaze

669
00:30:26,740 --> 00:30:22,490
back to the Sun and that's quite a

670
00:30:29,650 --> 00:30:26,750
distance on this scale that's quite

671
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:29,660
interesting to see the distance over to

672
00:30:38,259 --> 00:30:31,850
the Sun which we can now see in the

673
00:30:42,139 --> 00:30:40,490
in fact I think I'll walk the distance

674
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:42,149
to Venus because I can just see it down

675
00:30:54,649 --> 00:30:49,970
here so now traveling through the

676
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:54,659
through the space between Mercury and

677
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:01,919
Venus which doesn't take long at this

678
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:05,460
scale and this I can see it coming up

679
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:13,080
now on its plinth and here it is i'll

680
00:31:27,620 --> 00:31:24,590
I have a quick look at Venus before we

681
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,630
travel onto the earth Venus here it is

682
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:29,760
and it's about the size of a large p I

683
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:32,700
suppose it's just fascinating I can look

684
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,600
back and the Sun is now getting further

685
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:39,360
and further away so it's off to the next

686
00:31:46,340 --> 00:31:42,720
planet which is Earth this is quite a

687
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:46,350
yeah it's a nice day out too because i'm

688
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:47,940
right by the water now you can hear the

689
00:31:59,149 --> 00:31:53,130
seagulls in the background and here's

690
00:32:01,399 --> 00:31:59,159
earth it was quite cute they've got

691
00:32:05,779 --> 00:32:01,409
earth and the moon as well on the same

692
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:05,789
plinth now we turn around look the Sun

693
00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:07,740
is getting further and further away into

694
00:32:15,379 --> 00:32:10,169
the distance that's quite interesting

695
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:15,389
okay now on to the next planet come to

696
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,330
Mars Mars honest little plinth about the

697
00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:20,880
size of a small pee again I like to look

698
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:22,679
back where's the Sun oh there it is

699
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:25,860
right in the distance now further and

700
00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:28,799
further away and some of my friends have

701
00:32:38,029 --> 00:32:30,630
all ridden off without me I better hurry

702
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,039
along to Jupiter okay now the first

703
00:32:45,490 --> 00:32:40,320
planets we could walk to from the Sun

704
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:45,500
quite easily look back the Jupiter

705
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:48,330
Jupiter distance from master duper of

706
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,299
this scale meant I had to jump on my

707
00:32:58,519 --> 00:32:53,279
bike and right after everybody else and

708
00:33:01,879 --> 00:32:58,529
I'm looking back and I can't see the Sun

709
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:01,889
anymore it's so far away in the distance

710
00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:05,039
in the background and we can walk over

711
00:33:09,769 --> 00:33:08,190
here now and we can have a look at

712
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:09,779
Jupiter Jupiter's behind a little fence

713
00:33:13,570 --> 00:33:12,240
though it's behind some it's being

714
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:13,580
worked on

715
00:33:18,730 --> 00:33:17,210
and that's the size of a long ball it

716
00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:18,740
even actually looks like it look like it

717
00:33:22,570 --> 00:33:20,840
looks like a long ball it's actually old

718
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:22,580
late like a lawn bowls it's spinning

719
00:33:28,780 --> 00:33:25,490
fought it spins in 10 hours it's been so

720
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:28,790
fast it flows out at the equator yeah he

721
00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:31,310
has a oval shape not not not spherical

722
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:33,830
onset of biased on it's just me would

723
00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:36,710
not a plate yeah actually rotated be 10

724
00:33:41,170 --> 00:33:38,420
hour so she look at you look at the

725
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:41,180
tesco you can see it moves of course and

726
00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:44,200
it's interesting when you actually

727
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:47,150
travel the distance between Mars and

728
00:33:51,250 --> 00:33:48,890
Jupiter that's a big distance yeah

729
00:33:53,410 --> 00:33:51,260
that's a big dish that Sahara kilometer

730
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:53,420
and we can't see the Sun anymore I can

731
00:33:57,790 --> 00:33:55,460
see where it is sawdust you can't see

732
00:33:59,440 --> 00:33:57,800
itself know about a kilometer now

733
00:34:01,450 --> 00:33:59,450
actually they they haven't done the

734
00:34:04,270 --> 00:34:01,460
asteroid belt okay they're done earth

735
00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:04,280
Venus Earth yeah Mars and the Dungey we

736
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:05,750
haven't got a model of the asteroid we

737
00:34:09,370 --> 00:34:07,130
sort of road through it I think it's

738
00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:09,380
well actually over there somewhere the

739
00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:11,720
model makers didn't think of this but

740
00:34:17,260 --> 00:34:14,740
you see the sand on the beach yeah okay

741
00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:17,270
the put the grains of sand on the beach

742
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:19,790
oh that's it about the right number and

743
00:34:23,980 --> 00:34:22,790
about the right size of the estero you

744
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:23,990
know there's a lot of material we're

745
00:34:31,630 --> 00:34:26,690
right next to the beach now is some

746
00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:31,640
billions you know the Sandvik Anna all

747
00:34:42,220 --> 00:34:34,820
right so off on to Saturn yeah all right

748
00:34:47,359 --> 00:34:44,599
we've reached sat in his path going

749
00:34:49,369 --> 00:34:47,369
there and who's down to sort of one

750
00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:49,379
kilometer there was doubt a 50 metres

751
00:34:54,859 --> 00:34:52,470
thick 40 metres thick really and last

752
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:54,869
hour there were ten meters thick and on

753
00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:56,339
that scale that would be one atom thick

754
00:35:00,440 --> 00:34:58,619
on the model when you cut your finger on

755
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:00,450
it now that was quite a distance we've

756
00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:02,250
just come from Jupiter to hear about a

757
00:35:05,779 --> 00:35:04,230
kilometer yeah yeah it's amazing where I

758
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,789
was a ride to think we must have missed

759
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:07,920
it because we kept riding and riding and

760
00:35:11,809 --> 00:35:10,410
no sadly but here it is yeah we get that

761
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:11,819
feeling when you get to the other parts

762
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:13,500
but you're there Saturn Saturn's are all

763
00:35:19,099 --> 00:35:16,680
gasp it might have been water and other

764
00:35:21,799 --> 00:35:19,109
wings most parts have been more

765
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:21,809
spectacular Saturn and there's different

766
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:25,520
tongue there's gaps in the wings and

767
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:28,200
Shepherd moons and things the Sun is now

768
00:35:31,819 --> 00:35:29,910
way back around the corner and down

769
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:31,829
there you can't say which behind things

770
00:35:36,289 --> 00:35:33,569
but even if we could see it directly I

771
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:36,299
mean it'd be the son of a of tiny yeah

772
00:35:40,990 --> 00:35:38,460
behind that building about as far again

773
00:35:43,819 --> 00:35:41,000
as the building yeah yeah so that's

774
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,829
quite a big deal to how many rings does

775
00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:45,359
that in half I don't think anybody knows

776
00:35:51,019 --> 00:35:46,950
really many weeks thousands of things

777
00:35:58,910 --> 00:35:51,029
yeah it develops in it there's about 30

778
00:36:02,450 --> 00:35:58,920
I that's cold yeah while the week the

779
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:02,460
Rings arm it's got about 80 booms I mean

780
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:04,740
there's got some five big booms but it's

781
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,450
got smaller ones and the views

782
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:08,880
themselves are made of lumps of rock and

783
00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:11,490
whatnot so their beans all strictly moon

784
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:13,380
so it's got billions of moons yeah yeah

785
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:15,450
yeah yeah no stop counting them because

786
00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:17,130
the wings are held in place by moons

787
00:36:22,339 --> 00:36:19,079
they called Shepherd moons and they

788
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:22,349
clear a gap in de in the vegan I think

789
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:23,700
there's a probe just about to go through

790
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:26,099
some of these days staring at you house

791
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:27,569
through the Rings yeah that you might

792
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,130
disturb the wings doing that because

793
00:36:33,769 --> 00:36:31,200
they are delicately gravity bound in

794
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:33,779
reckon you little bit like that driving

795
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:35,940
something like a far drive going to a

796
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:38,609
swamp you go slush vandalism there are

797
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,770
two moons that fall over each other ones

798
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:42,420
ahead there with the orbit like that and

799
00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:45,050
they turn over they go like that

800
00:36:49,810 --> 00:36:47,180
as the plane of the Rings the same plane

801
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:49,820
as the solvent no no it's not it's

802
00:36:56,650 --> 00:36:53,050
tilted and that every 20 years umm

803
00:37:01,200 --> 00:36:56,660
salamah Sun in 24 years you see the

804
00:37:03,250 --> 00:37:01,210
wings go age on some moment okay and

805
00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:03,260
well know that the wings would just

806
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:05,990
formed Saturn's rotating that way the

807
00:37:09,940 --> 00:37:07,850
rotation not the same as the plane they

808
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:09,950
Sabine's rotating with a with the planet

809
00:37:13,930 --> 00:37:12,410
so they are tilted and sometimes you see

810
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:13,940
the mage on like that sometimes you see

811
00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:16,730
them you know some sort of random thing

812
00:37:21,460 --> 00:37:20,030
can happen Molly b-24 twice every 25

813
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:21,470
years you see the edge on that you can't

814
00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:24,890
see them at all they're so thin so I

815
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:28,940
guess it's on to our next gas planet

816
00:37:37,540 --> 00:37:30,890
which will be some distance away from

817
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:37,550
here which would be Uranus Uranus or new

818
00:37:42,370 --> 00:37:39,650
litter so it's about the size of a golf

819
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:42,380
ball yeah and that was quite a distance

820
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:44,780
from Saturn wasn't sober kilowatt up

821
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:47,330
here that's remarkable yeah there it is

822
00:37:52,210 --> 00:37:50,570
there it is not much just so it's all

823
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:52,220
gaseous you cannot see features on it

824
00:37:57,790 --> 00:37:54,680
yeah I'm not much to see the telescope

825
00:37:59,710 --> 00:37:57,800
just a pale green sphere but it's there

826
00:38:01,790 --> 00:37:59,720
admittedly and it's quite it was quite a

827
00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:01,800
distance from satin um

828
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:05,880
one of amazed one we've got other moon

829
00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:08,730
but one moon is one wound very big but

830
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:10,470
that's that's a hell of a distance now

831
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:13,170
that's amazing yeah well we still got a

832
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,290
ways to go now over there that they are

833
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:18,480
white that's the note the Norwegian

834
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:21,090
ship that vote down is half alien

835
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:23,770
Zealand that it comes out

836
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:29,680
touch home back to Melbourne so we've

837
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,930
arrived at Neptune the British in the

838
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:35,920
journal

839
00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:38,250
hopefully the where nip tune should be

840
00:38:43,890 --> 00:38:41,470
and the British went along to AV the

841
00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:43,900
astronomer royal is it can we look at

842
00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:47,099
this place is it wait a time bar bug off

843
00:38:52,260 --> 00:38:49,780
the Germans look to a French telescope

844
00:38:54,270 --> 00:38:52,270
in Paris and they discovered it loveria

845
00:38:56,099 --> 00:38:54,280
so we were at by one night you know

846
00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:56,109
because of the elegance of the

847
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:57,730
astronomer royal and that was quite a

848
00:39:04,049 --> 00:39:01,359
ride just from uranus to come to tune FK

849
00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:04,059
yeah yeah yeah oh you ain't seen Pluto

850
00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:06,430
yet and it's about on this scale

851
00:39:10,319 --> 00:39:08,380
Neptune's roughly the size of a golf

852
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,329
ball or a little bit just a bit bigger

853
00:39:14,970 --> 00:39:12,400
than a golf ball and of course even

854
00:39:16,650 --> 00:39:14,980
Jupiter and the other plane is a so far

855
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:16,660
away now we can't possibly hope to see

856
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:18,730
even if we we have a clear line of sight

857
00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:20,290
we could barely see anything back there

858
00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:22,750
with a large w listen you can see I've

859
00:39:28,319 --> 00:39:25,630
had you pulling in behind that and then

860
00:39:30,329 --> 00:39:28,329
season it to you yeah yeah the 13 moons

861
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:30,339
or there are surface their stories on

862
00:39:34,829 --> 00:39:32,890
the surface it's made of gas it

863
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:34,839
impresses upon me doing this how close

864
00:39:38,549 --> 00:39:36,970
the inner planets are really do the Sun

865
00:39:41,579 --> 00:39:38,559
they're all gathered really close to the

866
00:39:44,490 --> 00:39:41,589
Sun then suddenly nothing if you try and

867
00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:44,500
draw a long time yeah get on the page so

868
00:39:49,740 --> 00:39:46,150
the Dino class would just be one dot

869
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:49,750
with the Sun and the rest on the page so

870
00:39:53,579 --> 00:39:51,280
it's really hard to depict the solar

871
00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:53,589
system properly yeah so it's a big solar

872
00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:55,270
system with nothing in it and every now

873
00:39:59,789 --> 00:39:56,950
and then you bump into something like a

874
00:40:01,470 --> 00:39:59,799
planet like they're very unlikely

875
00:40:03,549 --> 00:40:01,480
because the orbit is you know this far

876
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:03,559
out for the thumbs yeah

877
00:40:08,589 --> 00:40:06,049
the audis lot on the scale about 20

878
00:40:11,859 --> 00:40:08,599
kilometers long around the year so this

879
00:40:14,529 --> 00:40:11,869
week yeah that's unlike you hit it at

880
00:40:16,299 --> 00:40:14,539
random so you think we'll have any luck

881
00:40:18,189 --> 00:40:16,309
finding Bluto this right now where it is

882
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:18,199
you know where it is okay otherwise you

883
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:24,079
wouldn't find it with that we've reached

884
00:40:30,670 --> 00:40:25,849
Bhutto that the side of the moment and

885
00:40:32,979 --> 00:40:30,680
it's the size of a it's tiny it's

886
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,989
absolutely yes it's the sort of the

887
00:40:38,459 --> 00:40:35,119
large bit of one of those old pins isn't

888
00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:38,469
it yeah pinhead yes indeed a hatpin

889
00:40:43,390 --> 00:40:41,150
modeling pinheaded you're smaller than a

890
00:40:45,999 --> 00:40:43,400
hatpin now does it say here how far

891
00:40:49,029 --> 00:40:46,009
we've come from the Sun six point nine

892
00:40:51,969 --> 00:40:49,039
kilometres on then we have a look down

893
00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:51,979
here distance to the certify okay so

894
00:40:56,890 --> 00:40:54,680
five point nine kilometres away is that

895
00:40:59,079 --> 00:40:56,900
large sphere we saw at the beginning of

896
00:41:00,489 --> 00:40:59,089
this trip imagine fella launched a

897
00:41:02,890 --> 00:41:00,499
rocket from the farm of the season

898
00:41:06,370 --> 00:41:02,900
moving side way that's extraordinary

899
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:06,380
that's extraordinary oh that's a

900
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:08,089
fantastic thing Steve how long is this

901
00:41:14,410 --> 00:41:11,359
solar system been here 20 years 20 years

902
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,420
yes yeah 1990s so I don't know is it

903
00:41:18,459 --> 00:41:16,640
well known didn't it was at the time has

904
00:41:24,219 --> 00:41:18,469
been forgotten about did you all know

905
00:41:25,569 --> 00:41:24,229
about this or no yeah this is call me he

906
00:41:31,029 --> 00:41:25,579
appears how I never knew that was there

907
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:31,039
yeah yeah well I think it's just it's

908
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:33,049
just fantastic so if you come to

909
00:41:38,919 --> 00:41:36,319
Melbourne or you live in Melbourne come

910
00:41:41,259 --> 00:41:38,929
down and have a look at this because

911
00:41:43,419 --> 00:41:41,269
it's really gives you a good well some

912
00:41:44,979 --> 00:41:43,429
understanding at least as far as we can

913
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:44,989
possibly comprehend the scale of things

914
00:41:49,929 --> 00:41:47,839
of the solar system and there will be a

915
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:49,939
link on this week's show notes thank you

916
00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:17,849
[Music]

917
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:21,950
dr. Harriet hall md no into thousands as

918
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919
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:28,130
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920
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921
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:31,900
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922
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923
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924
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925
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926
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928
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933
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:10,570
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934
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935
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936
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937
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938
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:25,130
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939
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:27,680
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941
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:51,510
[Music]

942
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:53,730
from the website of Australian skeptics

943
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:55,970
Australian skeptics calm today you

944
00:44:02,420 --> 00:43:58,770
chiropractor found guilty of making

945
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:02,430
false claims of curing cancer by Tim

946
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:04,290
mendham published on the fifteenth of

947
00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:08,210
februari 2017 a new south wales

948
00:44:14,180 --> 00:44:11,670
chiropractor has been convicted of false

949
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:14,190
advertising after he claimed to be able

950
00:44:20,330 --> 00:44:17,460
to prevent treat and cure cancer in his

951
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:20,340
advertising handsome borrow who was

952
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:22,730
sentenced today febri the 15th at

953
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:25,920
Downing Centre local court in Sydney now

954
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:28,310
after he pleaded guilty to 13 charges

955
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:30,890
filed by the Australian health

956
00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:35,910
practitioner regulation agency ahpra in

957
00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:39,030
August 2060 dr. Lim borough was

958
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:42,270
convicted and fined twenty-nine thousand

959
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:44,730
five hundred dollars by the court and

960
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:48,330
was also ordered to pay the ahp Ras

961
00:44:53,690 --> 00:44:51,330
legal costs twenty seven thousand five

962
00:44:56,330 --> 00:44:53,700
hundred dollars of that fine was for

963
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,340
advertising a health service in a false

964
00:45:00,580 --> 00:44:58,800
or misleading way the remaining two

965
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:00,590
thousand dollars was for using

966
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:03,330
testimonials in his advertising which is

967
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:06,210
not permitted when advertising regulated

968
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:09,450
health services limber o was convicted

969
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:12,420
of unlawfully advertising a regulated

970
00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:14,910
health service and using testimonials

971
00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:17,940
under the national law chiropractic

972
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,430
board of Australia chair Wayne Minter

973
00:45:25,610 --> 00:45:22,560
said the board welcomed the decision

974
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:25,620
quote today's conviction is a win for

975
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:28,800
public protection and a warning to

976
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:30,810
anyone advertising health services in

977
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:33,450
the way that contravenes the national

978
00:45:39,110 --> 00:45:36,570
law then quoted dr. Minter said he added

979
00:45:41,660 --> 00:45:39,120
quote most chiropractors are doing the

980
00:45:44,090 --> 00:45:41,670
right thing and quote however this view

981
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:44,100
has been strongly refuted by a number of

982
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:46,110
campaigners against chiropractors

983
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:48,810
misleading advertising ken MacLeod said

984
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:51,810
that he and Peter teeny had put in

985
00:45:57,830 --> 00:45:54,810
complaints against more than 700

986
00:45:59,720 --> 00:45:57,840
chiropractors professor Ken Harvey said

987
00:46:01,940 --> 00:45:59,730
that he and mel Vickers had put in

988
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:01,950
complaints against about 800

989
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:04,410
chiropractors and the Friends of Science

990
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:05,190
in medicine

991
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:08,130
have reportedly submitted complaints

992
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:13,500
against 1,200 chiropractors for many of

993
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:15,690
these cases McLeod says there has been

994
00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:19,440
little or no response from the ahpra or

995
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:23,369
the CBA all of these campaigners have

996
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:25,710
been recipients of the skeptic of the

997
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:27,900
Year award over the past few years

998
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,810
McLeod added that his studies revealed

999
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,119
that about two-thirds of chiropractors

1000
00:46:38,540 --> 00:46:35,520
have also expressed or promoted

1001
00:46:40,220 --> 00:46:38,550
anti-vaccination views he says that in

1002
00:46:42,589 --> 00:46:40,230
discussions with the UK campaigner

1003
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:42,599
professor Ed's art Ernst there is a

1004
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,569
similar situation in the UK it is known

1005
00:46:50,420 --> 00:46:47,280
that about eight other chiropractors are

1006
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:50,430
currently in the pipeline to be brought

1007
00:46:55,069 --> 00:46:53,609
before the courts minta said quote the

1008
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:55,079
board has been upfront with the

1009
00:47:00,380 --> 00:46:57,420
profession that if their advertising is

1010
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:00,390
not compliant with the law they will be

1011
00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:03,420
held to account end quote the hundreds

1012
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:06,329
of existing complaints will put that aim

1013
00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:11,280
under pressure ahpra CEO Martin Fletcher

1014
00:47:16,730 --> 00:47:14,339
said the outcome sent an important

1015
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:16,740
message to anyone who advertises a

1016
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:19,290
regulated health service that the

1017
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:21,569
regulator will take action if they break

1018
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:24,540
the law quote today's conviction is a

1019
00:47:29,780 --> 00:47:28,050
landmark ruling our purpose working

1020
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,790
closely with the chiropractic board of

1021
00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:32,400
Australia is to protect the public this

1022
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,190
shows that we will take action and that

1023
00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:38,400
people breaking the law will be held to

1024
00:47:42,829 --> 00:47:40,980
account making false claims to treat

1025
00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:42,839
serious illnesses through unproven

1026
00:47:49,339 --> 00:47:46,220
methods is both unethical and illegal

1027
00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:49,349
with her ruling magistrate Vinnie said

1028
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:51,630
that while the practitioner personally

1029
00:47:56,180 --> 00:47:53,700
may not have loaded the advertising on

1030
00:47:59,120 --> 00:47:56,190
to the website in question he could not

1031
00:48:01,550 --> 00:47:59,130
deny responsibility this is an important

1032
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:01,560
lesson for others who are advertising

1033
00:48:06,859 --> 00:48:04,530
regulated health services quote today's

1034
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:06,869
outcome is a reminder to us all as

1035
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:10,619
health consumers and patients that if an

1036
00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:12,540
advertisement seems too good to be true

1037
00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:15,990
it probably is make sure you ask your

1038
00:48:18,769 --> 00:48:18,030
health practitioner what evidence they

1039
00:48:20,919 --> 00:48:18,779
have to

1040
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:20,929
these claims and if you're still unsure

1041
00:48:27,649 --> 00:48:24,089
seek a second opinion in quote Fletcher

1042
00:48:29,479 --> 00:48:27,659
said ahpra and 14 national boards that

1043
00:48:32,329 --> 00:48:29,489
regulate Australia's registered health

1044
00:48:35,209 --> 00:48:32,339
workforce have published guidelines on

1045
00:48:37,669 --> 00:48:35,219
advertising regulated health services to

1046
00:48:39,259 --> 00:48:37,679
help health practitioners and service

1047
00:48:41,689 --> 00:48:39,269
providers know their obligations under

1048
00:48:44,479 --> 00:48:41,699
the national law along with additional

1049
00:48:47,539 --> 00:48:44,489
resources to help understand the do's

1050
00:48:49,249 --> 00:48:47,549
and don'ts of advertising anyone with

1051
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:49,259
concerns about the advertising of

1052
00:49:01,039 --> 00:48:51,689
regulated health services should contact

1053
00:49:02,419 --> 00:49:01,049
the ahpra on 1300 419 459 and that story

1054
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:02,429
comes to us from the website of

1055
00:49:07,699 --> 00:49:04,650
Australian skeptics skeptics calm today

1056
00:49:10,939 --> 00:49:07,709
you compiled by Tim mendham and now

1057
00:49:13,489 --> 00:49:10,949
courtesy of the nine network news here

1058
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:13,499
is a brief report on the chiropractor in

1059
00:49:17,739 --> 00:49:15,900
question have you got anything you'd

1060
00:49:21,289 --> 00:49:17,749
like to say disgraced in a courtroom

1061
00:49:23,659 --> 00:49:21,299
Islamic chiropractor dr. Han slim Bora

1062
00:49:25,729 --> 00:49:23,669
made a run for it but there was no

1063
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:25,739
dodging the truth that he falsely

1064
00:49:30,529 --> 00:49:28,559
claimed he could cure cancer mr. Barrett

1065
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:30,539
do you think you're going to continue as

1066
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:33,089
a chiropractor it's a huge ball from

1067
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:35,849
grace for a man with many hats he's on

1068
00:49:40,339 --> 00:49:38,640
YouTube telling us how to make money I'm

1069
00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:40,349
going to go where teach you how to join

1070
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,630
about a hundred thousand dollars of

1071
00:49:47,449 --> 00:49:45,359
passive income a year and on the

1072
00:49:49,999 --> 00:49:47,459
internet is being rated as one of the

1073
00:49:52,269 --> 00:49:50,009
three best chiropractors in Sydney and

1074
00:49:55,699 --> 00:49:52,279
on web pages advertising his services

1075
00:49:58,459 --> 00:49:55,709
it's claimed having a regular visit to a

1076
00:50:01,009 --> 00:49:58,469
chiropractor people can rest assured

1077
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:01,019
they're prevented from having cancer and

1078
00:50:06,949 --> 00:50:04,049
there's more and natural cancer cure is

1079
00:50:10,339 --> 00:50:06,959
chiropractic treatment the only problem

1080
00:50:12,620 --> 00:50:10,349
is it's not true dr. Limbaugh promoted

1081
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:12,630
his treatment as an alternative to other

1082
00:50:17,569 --> 00:50:14,249
life-saving measures such as

1083
00:50:19,489 --> 00:50:17,579
chemotherapy and radiation the court was

1084
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:19,499
told that any of his patients who

1085
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:21,209
ignored those tried and tested

1086
00:50:26,299 --> 00:50:23,729
treatments could have made a fatal

1087
00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:26,309
mistake in a landmark case but

1088
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:28,940
regulators pursued him borrow

1089
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,190
what a magistrate found were outrageous

1090
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:33,680
claims targeting the most vulnerable

1091
00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:36,710
with a cure or a fix these meant to be

1092
00:50:40,359 --> 00:50:38,990
highly trained health professionals but

1093
00:50:41,740 --> 00:50:40,369
this one in particular has been

1094
00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:41,750
misleading the public and I suspect

1095
00:50:46,450 --> 00:50:44,329
there's more libero who is fine nearly

1096
00:50:49,059 --> 00:50:46,460
thirty thousand dollars and it will be

1097
00:50:52,030 --> 00:50:49,069
up to the chiropractic board to decide

1098
00:50:59,859 --> 00:50:52,040
if he stays in the profession Damien

1099
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:03,220
this is indeed a landmark judgment

1100
00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:06,930
landmark ruling I can imagine it will

1101
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:09,059
put many chiropractors on notice but not

1102
00:51:13,579 --> 00:51:11,609
only chiropractors all the people out

1103
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:13,589
there all the health care providers

1104
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:16,730
so-called health care providers who

1105
00:51:23,299 --> 00:51:20,400
advertise the extraordinary things they

1106
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:23,309
can do the claims that they make I think

1107
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:34,530
[Music]

1108
00:51:48,709 --> 00:51:35,270
you

1109
00:51:53,249 --> 00:51:51,179
I'm here with an old friend of mine the

1110
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:53,259
lone deranged ER herself lindley hello

1111
00:51:57,769 --> 00:51:55,569
hello how are you know we've known each

1112
00:52:00,239 --> 00:51:57,779
other for many years now you're I

1113
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:00,249
remember the first time you came around

1114
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:01,930
to visit dr. Steve Roberts and we were

1115
00:52:06,479 --> 00:52:04,089
watching UFO documents do you remember

1116
00:52:08,939 --> 00:52:06,489
that was good and I remember Stevie put

1117
00:52:10,499 --> 00:52:08,949
two like pet pita bread things on the

1118
00:52:13,769 --> 00:52:10,509
side of his head to make him look so

1119
00:52:15,390 --> 00:52:13,779
look like Mickey Mouse that's Steve for

1120
00:52:19,049 --> 00:52:15,400
you now folks are having a quick chat

1121
00:52:21,209 --> 00:52:19,059
with them lindley because you have a new

1122
00:52:22,739 --> 00:52:21,219
podcast and of course as a friend of

1123
00:52:24,539 --> 00:52:22,749
mine and somebody who likes podcast I

1124
00:52:27,150 --> 00:52:24,549
like to promote podcasts what's your

1125
00:52:28,949 --> 00:52:27,160
podcast all about it's just me spinnin

1126
00:52:30,779 --> 00:52:28,959
records I've got so many records I

1127
00:52:32,819 --> 00:52:30,789
thought and I don't have anyone to share

1128
00:52:34,949 --> 00:52:32,829
them with besides my cat I thought why

1129
00:52:37,499 --> 00:52:34,959
not just put them out on the air and

1130
00:52:39,949 --> 00:52:37,509
yeah and learn some djing skills at the

1131
00:52:43,319 --> 00:52:39,959
same time so I just set it up no age no

1132
00:52:46,259 --> 00:52:43,329
no education no nothing youtube video

1133
00:52:49,099 --> 00:52:46,269
clips and bang three episodes fourth

1134
00:52:51,509 --> 00:52:49,109
episode is recorded and it will come out

1135
00:52:53,789 --> 00:52:51,519
well it'll be out when you listen to

1136
00:52:56,819 --> 00:52:53,799
this excellent so basically you thought

1137
00:52:59,489 --> 00:52:56,829
I'll do this I can do I can do this you

1138
00:53:00,989 --> 00:52:59,499
use audacity I believe yeah and you do

1139
00:53:03,539 --> 00:53:00,999
the mixing you put the podcast together

1140
00:53:06,419 --> 00:53:03,549
and all the rest of it so folks you know

1141
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:06,429
if you want to do a podcast there's

1142
00:53:09,689 --> 00:53:07,630
nothing stopping you is there no

1143
00:53:11,759 --> 00:53:09,699
definitely not is this bang straight

1144
00:53:15,329 --> 00:53:11,769
easy I thought it would be more

1145
00:53:18,179 --> 00:53:15,339
difficult than what it was but yeah

1146
00:53:20,699 --> 00:53:18,189
pretty good good stuff and it's called

1147
00:53:22,289 --> 00:53:20,709
running with scissors what why running

1148
00:53:24,329 --> 00:53:22,299
with scissors oh there was a discussion

1149
00:53:26,759 --> 00:53:24,339
at work to posties we're talking about

1150
00:53:29,630 --> 00:53:26,769
if they'd ever seen anyone in hospital

1151
00:53:32,249 --> 00:53:29,640
with injuries from running with scissors

1152
00:53:33,630 --> 00:53:32,259
and at that time I was sort of coming

1153
00:53:35,029 --> 00:53:33,640
and airing about the show and I heard

1154
00:53:38,669 --> 00:53:35,039
the name and I said perfect that's

1155
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:38,679
you've just named my show and vow

1156
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,130
international listeners postie you

1157
00:53:45,779 --> 00:53:44,559
deliver the post yeah yeah and as we sit

1158
00:53:47,489 --> 00:53:45,789
here now having a nice time so you've

1159
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,499
got right now crossed your chest you've

1160
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:49,839
got straight Australia Post and blaze in

1161
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:50,960
there like that

1162
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:53,090
and what is your taste in music what if

1163
00:53:56,410 --> 00:53:55,010
people listen Google running with

1164
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:56,420
scissors podcast but what's the music

1165
00:54:04,210 --> 00:53:58,130
might they hear you'll be getting a lot

1166
00:54:07,390 --> 00:54:04,220
of 80s punk new wave post-punk all the

1167
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:07,400
all the no waves new wave no way there's

1168
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:09,890
lots of waves there's so many waves in

1169
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:13,010
music industrial all it all the noise

1170
00:54:17,350 --> 00:54:14,930
anyway and I'll be playing a lot of

1171
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:17,360
local Australian bands that I like so I

1172
00:54:21,490 --> 00:54:18,800
just want to keep promoting Australian

1173
00:54:23,950 --> 00:54:21,500
music as much as I can this it doesn't

1174
00:54:26,140 --> 00:54:23,960
get much airtime yeah sir yeah

1175
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,150
definitely got a fun congratulations

1176
00:54:29,830 --> 00:54:28,400
folks running with scissors that's the

1177
00:54:32,650 --> 00:54:29,840
name of the podcast check it out and

1178
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:32,660
you'll find a link on this week's show

1179
00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:34,850
notes and good luck you'll find it on

1180
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:37,430
mixcloud and just type in running with

1181
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:43,280
scissors mixcloud com / loan underscored

1182
00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:08,529
[Music]

1183
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:12,780
and now a special note for fans of

1184
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:16,680
Maynard at Maynard com got a you if you

1185
00:55:23,420 --> 00:55:20,099
head over there now me naw Kham today

1186
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:23,430
you you can download the 2017 mean and

1187
00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:26,160
calendar print it out and whack it on

1188
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:31,230
the wall spend 2017 with me nerd that's

1189
00:55:39,330 --> 00:55:35,880
me not calm da to you for your free mean

1190
00:55:59,860 --> 00:55:39,340
hun 2017 calendar

1191
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:02,180
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1192
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:03,480
zone now next week I think we have

1193
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:05,700
another report about them situation on

1194
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:09,780
the movie vax and the news that robert

1195
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:11,730
de niro the actor robert de niro a fine

1196
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:14,310
actor a wonderful actor i do enjoy his

1197
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:17,910
movies is now becoming involved in some

1198
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:21,210
shape or form with the publicity or the

1199
00:56:26,180 --> 00:56:23,940
concerns around this movie we'll keep

1200
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:26,190
you up to date on that story next week I

1201
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:28,980
know my friend Fiona O'Leary and ireland

1202
00:56:33,230 --> 00:56:30,930
is very concerned about recent

1203
00:56:34,970 --> 00:56:33,240
developments thank you to those people

1204
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,980
who continue after all these years to

1205
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:37,440
support the skeptic zone at skeptics on

1206
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:40,680
TV with your little micro payments and

1207
00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:42,330
some people even chip in a bit more and

1208
00:56:47,810 --> 00:56:44,670
it all adds up it's wonderful it's like

1209
00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:47,820
lots of little drops going into a into a

1210
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,430
glass of water it's great thank you so

1211
00:56:55,580 --> 00:56:53,040
much for supporting the skeptic zone in

1212
00:56:58,340 --> 00:56:55,590
that way thank you to the people who

1213
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:58,350
write to me saying how they how much

1214
00:57:02,510 --> 00:56:59,760
they enjoy the show and what they're

1215
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:02,520
doing some people are mowing the lawn

1216
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,890
are going for runs or riding bikes as we

1217
00:57:08,210 --> 00:57:06,480
were mentioning earlier before riding

1218
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:08,220
bikes listening to the skeptic zone on

1219
00:57:12,770 --> 00:57:10,530
their commute to work or whatever they

1220
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:12,780
happen to be doing and I know some

1221
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:14,370
people like to listen to the skeptic

1222
00:57:19,070 --> 00:57:17,400
sound on long drives in the car and I

1223
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:19,080
must give a shout out to listen to Jake

1224
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:21,030
Jake to lure low who also wrote to me

1225
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,330
last week saying that the collective

1226
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:26,640
noun for a group of quacks should be an

1227
00:57:30,650 --> 00:57:28,710
aerco their neck o of quacks I think

1228
00:57:32,660 --> 00:57:30,660
actually Jake when I look through the

1229
00:57:34,550 --> 00:57:32,670
list of Correspondence I think he got

1230
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,560
there first to let me know that that's

1231
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:37,680
what we should call a a group of quacks

1232
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:39,930
and echo I do like that so thanks Jake

1233
00:57:43,820 --> 00:57:41,610
thank you very much and thanks for

1234
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:43,830
listening to but for this week from

1235
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:46,020
beautiful melbourne with lots of weird

1236
00:57:49,940 --> 00:57:47,970
noises going around here in this house

1237
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:49,950
there is water in the pipes running

1238
00:57:53,930 --> 00:57:51,930
through and workmen next to or

1239
00:57:55,820 --> 00:57:53,940
renovating a house the planes flying

1240
00:57:59,180 --> 00:57:55,830
overhead as i think there's a cat here

1241
00:58:00,650 --> 00:57:59,190
to walks by occasionally oh it's all

1242
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:00,660
happening here in melbourne until next

1243
00:58:07,660 --> 00:58:03,570
week this is Richard Saunders signing

1244
00:58:13,820 --> 00:58:10,070
you've been listening to the skeptics

1245
00:58:16,790 --> 00:58:13,830
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1246
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:16,800
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1247
00:58:23,330 --> 00:58:20,700
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1255
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1256
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